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    Mia McHaffey
    @Tony Hunt this is an insane take lol what evidence at all supports this. How would you explain the video of the girls on the bridge?

    Mia convicted a man on innuendo dumb shit even tho LE found zero physical or digitial evidence connecting him to the crime or the victims.

    BG video TL;DR view
  2. 02
    Mia McHaffey
    @Tony Hunt who photoshopped it? The police? Also, the video was captured almost 10 years ago.

    Including this since Mia thinks everyone is just doing TikTok research.

    zmeta from Libby's knowledgeC.db view
  3. 03
    Mia McHaffey
    @Brandy Ellis what's the relevance? The only thing your "one question" insinuates is that you overlook differences and details that completely change the circumstances to fit your narrative.

    The projection in response to people simply trying to meet Mia where she's at with a relatable situation that also was not black and white is wild.

  4. 04
    Mia McHaffey
    @Brandy Ellis what is the relevance? Your "one question" tells me more about your inability to decipher differences in circumstance (possible voluntary inability) to fit your narrative. Even based off the fact that I was in the courtroom every single day for this trial, and was not for Lindsey Clancy. My opinion on her guilt is a moot point.

    Mmk well your "answer" tells me more about your inability to decipher differences in people trying to meet you where you are (possible voluntary inability) to fit your narrative. Mia still hasn't provided a single substantive answer to any of them.

  5. 05
    Mia McHaffey
    @Brandy Ellis as expected, you're manipulating things to fit your narrative. If you can show me proof that Richard Allen or anyone else at that matter, was aware of the van before he made that specific confession to Dr. Wala, I'll acknowledge that. I can prove everything I am saying with true, factual information from the record. Please elaborate how you arrive to me admitting there are no facts? How did you come to that conclusion? That interrogation wasn't close to mental torture lol

    Literally no one has ever asserted that Rick's interrogations were mental torture, or any form of torture. Anyone know where Mia is getting this shit ??

    Only the killer would know view
  6. 06
    Mia McHaffey
    @Tony Hunt because she was just in her car? That is not unlikely at all. Also, just because you're saying the evidence I'm mentioning isn't real, doesn't mean I'm not providing anything to you. Couldn't say the same about you though. Still waiting...

    Is that the only not unlikely explanation Mia can think of? Is there a reason she doesn't think it's worth considering other explanations for a rooted hair to end up wrapped around a victim's finger considering the victim ended up horrifically murdered within an hour of that car ride ??

    Hair around victim’s pinky view
  7. 07
    Mia McHaffey
    @Tammy Allen McCray was the motion granted? I have not seen it. But the thing is, anything can be said in a motion, but until there is something on the record, or a video or evidence that I can see, none of that proves anything for me. When it's something this serious, and so many people spew untruths, anything that will change my stance has to be substantive.

    Does Mia not understand the Motion to Correct Error is part of the Record. Exhibits (including video) can be found here, girlie.

    Denied without a hearing view
  8. 08
    Mia McHaffey
    @Christine Salzer Christine where did you go? I'm still waiting on some proof of these defamatory claims 🤨🤨

    Christine owned it and apologized getting it Rong immediately, which is more than anyone can say for Mia.

    Even CS has more integrity... view
  9. 09
    Mia McHaffey
    @Tony Hunt when did I ever say I'm running the show?? Also, it's so ironic how idiotic you sound and you don't even know it lol you'd think as someone who believes RA is innocent you would want people on the jury whom are are able to sympathize with mental health issues.

    This is an insane thing for Mia say considering she LOL'd at people calling 13+ months in solitary confinement torture.

  10. 10
    Mia McHaffey
    @Adam Hanabarger and why is that?

    Still trying to figure out why Adam's comment didn't populate the cloned thread. Will add it when I find it.

  1. 1
    Tony Hunt
    @Mia McHaffey What did you do guess? Did you ever wonder if the girls were actually dropped off in the first place?
  2. 2
    Danielle Hawkins
    @Mia McHaffey so, what evidence shown made your decision?
  3. 3
    Brenda K. Simonton Kopka
    @Mia McHaffey that is easy to do!.. as a juror, the rules are clear.. reasonable Doubt means there's doubt and you don't convict. I would love to know what, if what you stated was not considered or relevant, what was?? just statements made by law enforcement?
  4. 4
    Judy Hataway
    @Mia McHaffey also when the state said I believe or we believe, why didn't the jurors ask for facts/ proof of what they believed? One of their experts even googled an answer.
  5. 5
    Brandy Ellis
    @Mia McHaffey one question! Do you believe Lindsay Clancy is guilty?
  6. 6
    Brandy Ellis
    @Mia McHaffey no because people like you are not looking at facts! What facts did you base your guilty verdict on?
  7. 7
    Brandy Ellis
    @Mia McHaffey no it's not because it will tell the rest of us if you actually base things on facts, opinions or hearsay. What evidence proves that RA did this with zero doubt?
  8. 8
    Brandy Ellis
    @Mia McHaffey we ALL knew about the van before. And everything you described he said he was also told. So no those are not facts. That's still a person that was mentally tortured by LE. Did you watch the interrogation videos? So you're admitting there are NO FACTS! A bullet can't be tested like that.
  9. 9
    Misty Porter
    @Mia McHaffey What do you think about all the information that the jury wasn't allowed to see?
  10. 10
    Misty Porter
    @Mia McHaffey What about the drug angle? Would you like to hear more about that in a new trial?
  11. 11
    Danielle Hawkins
    @Mia McHaffey Are you not the least bit angry at LE for leading the jury to believe Rick was the only one out on the bridge that day? Now, we know there were at least 50 people and the jury was only given one option? Others have confessed and not one witness looked at Rick in court that day and said, Yes!, that's the man I saw! Respectfully asking because I would want all facts before convicting and ruining a man's life based on a lie and lil manbaby egos. I'm sorry, I know this wasn't easy for anyone on the jury, but he 100% did not do this.
  12. 12
    Danielle Hawkins
    @Mia McHaffey I understand you were not there to investigate. From the outside looking in, we could see everything you were not allowed to see so now, what do you think? If you feel comfortable saying? Do you think he got a fair trial? And thank you for speaking and answering hard questions.
  13. 13
    Leslie Walker
    @Mia McHaffey A dad who trafficked drugs, who snitched on other drug traffickers and possibly owed them money who never came out to fight for justice for his daughter. They sent him a message. Message received. They didn't present this. They covered it up. Why? Because LE and others in Indiana higher ups are likely involved in underground activity. LE sought to hide evidence as to who was out there from day one. There were about 16 people out there that day. RA saw a group of girls when he was out there earlier. He wasn't there during the murder time the state gives. Those girls are Collier, Matta and Herrera. Dan Pearson was likely who BB saw on the bridge. Guess what? He's the first one who ran to the police. He did the first sketch. Why was he not in the trial? Go watch The Vault series on CasexCase. Go read Eye on Delphi's Docs and her videos. Go read Delphi Docs documents. If I were a juror I would be pissed at having been fooled by a corrupt prosecution who covered their own butts and used practically the only man in town without a record as a patsy. It's sickening.
  14. 14
    Alicia Nicholette
    @Mia McHaffey After seeing Richard Allen, do you think he's tall, muscular, and handsome? Those are descriptions the witnesses gave. How did the other people on the trails at the time of the alleged crime not hear or see anything? Do you think it's okay to hold an innocent person in a prison in solitary confinement for 400 days? He wasn't allowed to have a visit with his wife for over 6 months. He was given involuntary haldol injections, yet people can't sign legal documents if they are under the influence. Does it not bother that law enforcement lost over 70 days of interviews, lied numerous times? Why would someone who was going to SA someone but got spooked then proceed to unalive 2 girls and then spend over another hour at the crime scene placing sticks/branches over the girls bodies and blood? One of the branches was 3x taller/longer than the alleged killer and weighed probably as much as he did. The white van that spooked him didn't actually show up until about 15 minutes later than the state said and at the time the girls were allegedly already dead according to what the state says happened. Also what about the grumpy/doesn't say hi guy Cheyenne seen that also matches the demeanor of BG? Cheyenne witnessed him after the BG video was recorded. Can you honestly say that you have no reasonable doubt?
  15. 15
    Tony Hunt
    @Mia McHaffey Oh, thats simple! They were murdered somewhere else and this whole timeline, BG, story, everything we assume as facts are simply not facts! And the search was fabricated too, by fire fighters and the guilty party's . Why didn't they find them the first night with the whole town searching?
  16. 16
    Tony Hunt
    @Mia McHaffey Likewise on the girls being there on the 13th! Prove it!!! Why was kelsis hair wrapped in Abby's hand?
  17. 17
    Tony Hunt
    @Mia McHaffey What are you waiting for, for me to fabricate a lie just like the timeline? Not one human being seen them there that day, phone pics, video, BG evidence should have been thrown out as hear say 101. It's simply not factual and when you put it with all the lies from LE and the families something should have clicked unless your a sheep. Thats exactly why this isn't solved yet because of what I'm saying! It was a good story for a minute but something had to give. Libby's phone pinging across town too, oh but not aloud to use that evidence hummm 😄
  18. 18
    Tammy Allen McCray
    @Mia McHaffey since the trial, after learning that LE lied under oath, after seeing Blairs sketch which she says is 10/10 who she saw, etc do you second guess your verdict? Im genuinely asking. Because I truly belueve he is the wrong guy
  19. 19
    Tammy Allen McCray
    @Mia McHaffey so we convicted a man because he went for a walk wearing blue jeans? Thats truly scary
  20. 20
    Caitlin Marie Daugherty
    @Mia McHaffey Oh apologies, so the phone was important to you. How about the fact that they had his phone info back in 2017 and that info was sent to ISP? It's on the tip sheet they also marked him as "cleared." So while no, he did not have the phone from 2017 anymore, he had it when he spoke to them the very first time and they took his phone data down. See photo. I imagine you found that out by now, does that not concern you?
  21. 21
    Tammy Allen McCray
    @Mia McHaffey have you read the motion to correct error? According to the state the girls were dead by 2:32. Thats why the phone stopped moving. They also say Weber spooked him when he came home at 2:30 in his van. Problem is, there is surveillance video from another home showing that van heading down the road at 2:47 and connected with his house wifi at 2:52 So the van wasnt there to spook anyone at 2:30
  22. 22
    TCC
    @Mia McHaffey so what was the full picture then? You mentioned the clothes, the van, and that no one else that looked like him was there, right? So what else brought you to a guilty decision?
  23. 23
    Leslie Walker
    @Mia McHaffey He didn't see the girls. He saw Herrera, Collier and Matta who were conveniently excluded from discovery to defense because prosecution "lost it". The second set of girls saw a different guy who was approximately 5'10" because he was taller than Reilly V (sp?) who was 5'7". RA is 5'4". He would be noticeably short to anyone who saw him. The state ran a scam of a trial and Gull was in on it.
  24. 24
    Leslie Walker
    @Mia McHaffey So was a whole bunch of other people! He left by 1:30. His agreement to time is that he was there at part of the 1-3pm they asked about. So he said yes. But he was not there the entire time. He left by 1:30. He did not park at CPS. He parked on the other side of the highway. Not one person saw a short chubby man out there that was there. Daniel, Shelby, Cheyenne, Cheryl, both McCains were all out there at the time the girls were supposedly on the bridge. Daniel Pearson was standing on the bridge when the girls would have crossed. He did not see them. How is he and the girls on the bridge at the same time? This info is from phone records and witness interviews yet it was blocked.
  25. 25
    Christy Sharp
    @Mia McHaffey What other claims ? Confessions ?
  26. 26
    Tonya L Burris
    @Mia McHaffey wait....was the whole "looking at the stock ticker" on his phone not true?
  27. 27
    April Vasquez
    @Mia McHaffey If you were to see the geofence; you would see when his phone appears in the area and no longer appears in the area. It's not as simple as "he left his phone at home". He went there, we know that. What is being disputed is what time he arrived and what time he left. The geofence clears that up. The defense did fight to have that admitted but the state fought back and won based on "privacy of others and the reliability of it". How can the state fight it based on reliability when they literally used it to locate and identify people that were in and around the area? Allen's lead sheet was marked cleared for a reason. I thank you for doing your duty. I am sorry that you were forced to do so without hearing all of the facts.
  28. 28
    Caitlin Marie Daugherty
    @Mia McHaffey So after reading some of your comments, I'm curious — what EXACTLY, for you, was what made him BG to you WITHOUT A REASONABLE DOUBT — if not confessions...bullet? Voice?
  29. 29
    Mike Sims
    @Mia McHaffey the judge already had her mind made up, who is she covering for?
  30. 30
    Jamie Anderson-Wilkins
    @Mia McHaffey so please tell what evidence did you base your decision on?
  31. 31
    Anabella Maysen
    @Mia McHaffey Can I respectfully ask what did convince you beyond a reasonable doubt? Since the defense was not allowed to bring in evidence of third party suspects & yall never heard about the other men on the bridge, would that have made a difference?
  32. 32
    Tonya Hatton
    @Mia McHaffey from interviews, it would seem that for most of the jury it came down to.. he was the only one there. Do you think it would've made a difference if the defense would've been allowed to present it's 3rd party culprit evidence? Such as, Libby had been catfished by a online predator and they were there that day because they were supposed to meet him. Do you think it would've changed things if you had been allowed to hear the defenses explanation of the sticks and placement of them and the connection to the odinist brad holder who was Abby's boyfriend's dad and all the crazy things he posted around that time?
  33. 33
    Marissa Edens-Rosa
    @Mia May I ask why do you think there was not blood found in Richard Allens car?
  34. 34
    Kelsey Birkett
    @Mia McHaffey you were a juror on his first trial?
  35. 35
    Ridge Nappier
    @Mia McHaffey what convinced you bridge guy killed the girls? For all I know he could have just been warning them not to fall off the hill? No hate just wondering
  36. 36
    Christine Salzer
    @Mia McHaffey did you drastically change your appearance during trial? I was there every single day and don't seem to remember you. Where in the box did you sit? Also...if you really were a juror, there is proof on your profile that you broke the sequester order. The rules were pretty clear. Did one of the escorts allow it? If so, which one?
  37. 37
    Angie Hopkins
    @Christine Salzer @Mia McHaffey was sequestered and didn't have a device. Why would you put forth this lie? It's interesting that you don't recognize her, yet you were assisting Baldwin & Rozzi with Erica Morse. You literally sat at the front in a guaranteed seat as I saw myself daily.
  38. 38
    Tony Hunt
    @Mia McHaffey Look who's talking!!! And you're not running the show! Im starting to believe your on some sort of mind altering medication, did they check all jurors to see if there were any mental diagnoses ? (They sure as hell should've !!!)
  39. 39
    Classic Over Thinker
    @Mia McHaffey I really want to understand how/why the jury disregarded the DNA evidence? I don't mean to be disrespectful at all, I just honestly don't understand? There is male DNA on the girls genitals, breasts and the 1 pair of underwear that is not Ricks? Plus seminal fluid inside both girls 😢. Did the jury believe the girls were sexually active before hand (Which is fine if that was the thought process and I am NOT 'slut shaming' at all!)? Thats the only explanation I can think of? As the mother of a daughter this truly horrifies me and I want whoever had there filthy paws all over Abby and Libby locked up 😑 . I would really like to reconcile this in my brain?? TY
  40. 40
    Bec Edwards
    @Mia McHaffey which part, I've read the transcripts so many times? There was lots of unidentified male DNA on the girls 😢. From the r@pe kits, BOTH girls swabs were presumptive positive for seminal material. Unfortunately the lab didn't bother doing the confirmatory tests or even lking at it under a microscope (apparently that's not part of there work flow 😔). The presumptive tests do have an approx 10% false positive rate, however the chance of both tests being false positive when you add in the unidentified male DNA on the genitals and underwear would be under 1% 🙈🙈. Why do you think LE refused to use a private lab to do the DNA testing that the state lab couldn't?
  41. 41
    Classic Over Thinker
    @Mia McHaffey which part are you saying is untrue? Here is part of Stacy Bozinovski's testimony regarding the seminal material
  42. 42
    Classic Over Thinker
    @Mia McHaffey perhaps you should read the transcripts? Errors have been found in the transcript, do you believe this is incorrect?
  43. 43
    Breeun McNeil-Buhrkuhl
    @Mia McHaffey thank you. What juror # were you?
  44. 44
    Nana Foster
    @Mia McHaffey thank you for getting it right. Sorry you have to deal with the b@tsh*t crazy Crime QAnon conspiracy loons who think 1% possibility = 99% fact, and 99% fact is only 1% plausible. The whole headphone jack saga was outrageous and didn't even prove anything regarding his guilt/innocence. Water damage plain and simple, and sad that state experts ultimately dropped the ball on that. Did you dig into this case more after trial, or were you D-U-N done? You know that his phone never pinged at the trail, disproving his lie about being online looking at a stock ticker (his phone was either turned off/in airplane mode unable to access any online stock ticker/or left behind at home). And of course the only phone missing from the pile of phones he had kept. I can't remember the exact reason the cell tower ping/google geofence info wasn't allowed at trial, but I remember an interview McLeland did where he said it was a tit for tat legal procedure thing that would've opened the door for defense to bring up other evidence at trial that would've just confused the jurors.
  45. 45
    Barbie Mitchell
    @Mia McHaffey Do you know you and 11 others convicted a 100% innocent man who they tortured in a maximum security prison to the point where he went into psychosis and all this was as a pre-trial detainee? There are hundreds of thousands of people all over the globe fighting for justice for this man. I honestly could not live with myself if I convicted an innocent man and then researched the case after the trial finding out he had nothing to do with it. I would join the fight to help Free Richard Allen, that's the least you can do before this innocent man dies in prison!
  46. 46
    Jessica Brehon
    @Mia McHaffey BGs jacket doesn't look like a black carhartt jacket at all though, which is what Rick said he wore in the first interrogation. Did you read the Ron Logan PCA I linked you? Or the records of van sightings going back to 2017? The CCTV of Webers van arriving home 15-30 mins after the states TOD? What do you think of "dat be a gun" now that we've heard the video ourselves where Libby says "this is the path that we go down" ?
  47. 47
    Jessica Brehon
    @Mia McHaffey how do you feel about the state claiming that Libby said "dat be a gun", now that the bg video has been released and we all heard it was actually "this is the path we go down"?
  48. 48
    Melissa Martin
    @Mia McHaffey then what exactly did you take into consideration bc that's all they had..??
  49. 49
    Jessica Brehon
    @Mia McHaffey any thoughts on Webers van is seen on the neighbors camera entering the private drive at 2:44pm. The state claims the girls were killed at 2:32pm. How could the killer be spooked by a van that doesn't arrive for another 15-30 mins? Screenshot on cctv here: https://www.reddit.com/r/DelphiDocs/comments/1i6jof3/richard_allen_motion_to_correct_error_and_hearing/
  50. 50
    Jessica Brehon
    @Mia McHaffey Do you think this 10/10 sketch of a young tall beautiful man looks like Richard Allen?
  51. 51
    Caron Williams
    @Mia McHaffey so what did you base your decision on? There was fuck all evidence against him. You previously said if not him who else. It's bizarre that you think that way yet work as a paralegal
  52. 52
    Leigh S. Lovell
    @Mia McHaffey how influential was the bullet they found at the scene in your decision? They were unable to replicate the markings on the evidence bullet with his gun by just ejecting the round. So, they fired rounds then claimed fired casings matched the unfired round. The metallurgist was not allowed to testify (denied by the judge). Allen's DNA wasn't found nor were his fingerprints. The bullet was not even found at the time the bodies were.As a firearms enthusiast, hunter, and with experience in reloading ammo, I find the state's claims and "evidence" that it matched his firearm sketchy at the very least.Extractor marks are often used to determine type and model of firearm — Glock, sig, Beretta — obviously caliber and sometimes can narrow down production range. Unless the firearm has unique wear the FBI, NIST, Foundation of firearms and Tool Mark Identification, amongst other entities entrenched in all things firearms and ammunition all agree that extraction marks alone rarely point to a specific firearm.Since the firearm taken from Allen is one of the most popular firearms in the US, and the other firearms taken and tested in this case were not even tested the same way, I simply don't believe the round matched his weapon based on their testing and evidence presented. Their testing method was flawed. They also didn't fire the other guns they tested. His was the only one fired.It's been a while since I read trial transcript so I can't recall how much if this was discussed in trial.Sorry for the long winded post. Just wondered how much the bullet came into the guilty verdict.
Juror status
Mia McHaffey
@Michelle Filoni Maleta: "Yes ma'am." (confirming she was on the jury)
Confessions & ballistics
Mia McHaffey
(First post, replying to Ashley Banfield's story): "As a juror on this trial, I did not take into account any of the confessions or any of the ballistics. I don't think the disclosure of those things made a difference ultimately in the decision."
What evidence she used: her full account
"Richard Allen told us he was there that day and what time. He mentioned seeing a group of girls. That group of girls also saw Richard Allen. He was there, they saw each other, that is fact. Then, he said he was on the bridge looking at the fish, but didn't see the girls. There is no way that if he was on the bridge at the time he was there he didn't see the girls. He also said he was wearing a blue jacket, jeans, boots or tennis shoes, and had a hat. In one of his confessions, he mentioned a white van driving down and frightening him during the crime. After investigation, a white van was actually there near the scene at the time of the crime. No one would know that but the killer. No other man with similar clothing or anything was seen by anyone else there that day. The bullet found in his keepsake box had the same exact bullet brand and type. Even though all of those facts wouldn't stand on their own, the presence of all of them makes it unreasonable to believe Richard Allen isn't guilty of the crime."

In case Mia fell on her head, here is a comprehensive overview of the facts of this case, according to the Record established by the State.

On the interrogation
"That interrogation wasn't close to mental torture lol."

Literally no one has ever suggested that it was Srsly where is Mia getting this shit ??

On van confession proof
"If you can show me proof that Richard Allen or anyone else was aware of the van before he made that specific confession to Dr. Wala, I'll acknowledge that. I can prove everything I am saying with true, factual information from the record."
Only the killer would know view
On Odinist theory & Blair sketch
"My take is that the sketches and Odinist theory specifically wouldn't have changed the outcome. I think they were rightfully not included in trial. BUT, I welcome another trial if it's deemed most constitutional."
On the drug angle
"I haven't heard about the drug angle."
On LE leading the jury
"It was not my job to police their investigation, rather make a decision based off of the facts provided to me. I don't think we were led to believe he was the only one. Just that he was the only one there that all of the puzzle pieces fit."

You were provided innuendo dumb shit that the state couldn't even substantiate. Wouldn't call them facts but that's just me.

On Blair's sketch causing doubt
"I don't think someone's interpretation of how someone looked in a split second in a seemingly unimportant situation at the time is enough 'evidence' to cause reasonable doubt. Anything surrounding a sketch is too subjective to hold much weight for me."
Described suspect vs. Richard Allen view
On the "just blue jeans" argument
"Assuming he was convicted for his jeans is crazy... The guilt comes from him clearly lying about seeing the girls, and he was wearing the same clothing as BG, as reported by him."

Neither Dulin's 2017 report nor Allen's Oct. 13 or Oct. 26 interrogation transcripts document him describing his clothing as matching BG's, or establish that investigators concluded he lied about seeing the girls.

On RA's phone / geofence data
"I wasn't aware that his phone date confirmed that he wasn't at the scene. If you could point me to where this information is, I'd be more than happy to look at it."

The geofence data was among the evidence excluded from trial. According to the record, Allen's cell phone placed him off the trails before the girls were dropped off. Holeman's word salad deposition is part of the public record.

On the missing phone
"His phone probably was left at home. He said he was there so I don't get how this matters or proves anything other than that his phone was not with him."

No evidence in the record supports the claim that Allen left his phone at home that day. That inference was not established at trial.

On the motion to correct error
"I have not seen it. But the thing is, anything can be said in a motion, but until there is something on the record, or a video or evidence that I can see, none of that proves anything for me. When it's something this serious, and so many people spew untruths, anything that will change my stance has to be substantive."

The state's own discovery evidence includes the neighbor's account of the video timestamp being exactly 12 hours off — which was not surfaced at trial. Dismissing that account would require explaining why the neighbors' disclosure was less credible than other claims accepted without documentation.

On DNA claims
"These claims just aren't factually true." (no elaboration provided)

That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence girlie.

On the sequester
"I didn't have my phone, watch TV, or see my family for 3.5 weeks."

Gull finds Rick Allen is being treated extra special, ackshully.

Jul. 19, 2023 Order view
Juror number
"#2"
Core guilt reasoning (fuller statement)
"The presence isn't guilt. The guilt comes from him clearly lying about seeing the girls, and he was wearing the same clothing as BG, as reported by him. I'll acknowledge that it's a common thing for men to wear, but there is zero information pointing to the fact that there was anyone else wearing those clothes other than him. Only the killer would know about the van. Or at the very least, someone that was at the crime scene. It's him being there along with all of the other 'coincidences'. As much as presence doesn't confirm guilt, a various amount of circumstances pointing to his guilt doesn't confirm reasonable doubt. Inferences can be made without meaning there is doubt."

None of the specific factual claims in this statement (i.e., Allen lying about seeing the girls, his clothing matching BG's, the van) were established in the record at trial. See the linked evidence and transcripts above.

Timeline impossibility
"In fact, he said he didn't see the girls. Which would have been chronologically impossible if we believe the other claims that he made."

The timeline and interrogation transcripts are publicly available. Several facts bearing on this chronology were excluded from trial.

Allen's missing phone
"They had every phone they've ever owned since the 90s, but not that one." (agreeing with commenter's point about Allen's phone inventory)

Allen turned over his phone voluntarily in 2017 and was cleared at that time. The phone data is what led investigators to clear him initially. Trading in a phone years after cooperating with an investigation is unremarkable on its own.

2017 phone info sent to ISP, lead *Cleared* view
Phone never recovered
"His phone was never found."
BG jacket color discrepancy
"Looks like different color jackets to me." (@Jessica Brehon, on whether BG's jacket in the video matched the black Carhartt Allen said he wore in his first interrogation)

See comparison above. Per Allen's own statements, he did not own the Carhartt or blue coat until years after the murders. He said he would have been wearing his black jacket or a sweatshirt. Transcript linked above.

Rawn lookin exactly like Bridge Guy view
Closing statement to the thread
"I really appreciate the people with opposing views and opinions who were respectful and sympathetic. Whether you believe that Richard Allen is guilty or not, it can also be possible that both sides of this are made up of people who are just trying to do what they think is right...I know I will truly never be the same. Please take these things into consideration before making posts and comments. And most importantly, RIP Abby and Libby."

The verdict is a matter of record. The evidentiary record, including what was excluded and what was presented, is also part of the public record, and scrutiny of both is legitimate.

Tough on Crime Stacy view
01 Confessions not used, but confession content is cited as key evidence
Said this
"I did not take into account any of the confessions or any of the ballistics. I don't think the disclosure of those things made a difference ultimately in the decision."
Also said this
"In one of his confessions, he mentioned a white van driving down and frightening him during the crime... No one would know that but the killer."

The van detail is drawn directly from the confession Dr. Wala purports to have documented from Rick. Mia uses it as her single most compelling "only the killer would know" piece of evidence while simultaneously saying confessions played no role in her decision.

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02 Ballistics not used, but the bullet is cited as corroborating evidence
Said this
"I did not take into account any of the confessions or any of the ballistics."
Also said this
"The bullet found in his keepsake box had the same exact bullet brand and type."

She explicitly invokes the bullet match in her evidentiary summary, the same category she told the thread she disregarded.

03 RA "lied" about seeing the girls, but may have seen a different group
Her claim
"There is no way that if he was on the bridge at the time he was there he didn't see the girls... he clearly lied about seeing the girls."
Complicating fact
RA said he saw a group of girls. There were numerous groups of girls (and men, and boys) at the the trail that day, both earlier and later in the day. Her inference that he "lied" assumes the group he saw was the victims and/or the group of 4 girls who left while Betsy Blair was still at the libray.

She treats the the timeline and identification as settled when neither have ever been confirmed.

04 RA's missing phone: suspicious absence vs. innocent explanation
Framing 1 (implying guilt)
"His phone was never found." (said while agreeing the missing phone from a pile of phones he kept is noteworthy)
Framing 2 (trivializing absence)
"His phone probably was left at home. He said he was there so I don't get how this matters or proves anything other than that his phone was not with him."

Both framings are deployed in the same thread within hours. The framing shifts depending on which argument she is countering. In reality, Rick gave his phone to Dulin on Feb. 18, 2017 to look at it inside and out, his phone info was sent to ISP, and Rick was cleared the next day.

05 Van confession: only the killer would know, but she can't use the confession
Claims the van proves guilt
"No one would know that but the killer."
Challenges others to disprove it
"If you can show me proof that Richard Allen or anyone else was aware of the van before he made that specific confession to Dr. Wala, I'll acknowledge that."
But also said
"I did not take into account any of the confessions."

She simultaneously excludes confessions from her deliberative framework, uses confession content as definitive proof, and challenges others to disprove that confession content, all within the same exchange.

Only the killer would know view
06 Sketch too subjective, but RA's self-reported clothing description is reliable
On eyewitness sketches
"Anything surrounding a sketch is too subjective to hold much weight for me."
On RA's own recollection
She treats RA's self-reported description of his clothing that day as reliable corroboration that he matched BG's appearance.

A skepticism filter is applied to third-party sketch descriptions but not to RA's self-reported recollection. Both are subject memory under imperfect conditions. Rick never described himself as wearing the same clothes as the man in Libby's video.

07 Claims of factual certainty vs. refusal to engage specifics
Asserts documentary proof
"I can prove everything I am saying with true, factual information from the record."
Deflects when pressed
"You're conveniently picking specific comments out of a full picture. But go off lol." / "I'm just gonna send this one back and ask that you do more research. Because the majority of your claims in this comment are false." / "These claims just aren't factually true." (no specifics given in any instance)

She repeatedly asserts the ability to rebut specific claims with evidence but declines to produce citations when challenged on individual points.

08 "Can prove everything from the record" vs. never heard about the drug angle
Asserts command of the full record
"I can prove everything I am saying with true, factual information from the record."
Admits ignorance of a major trial theory
@Misty Porter: "What about the drug angle? Would you like to hear more about that in a new trial?" — Mia: "I haven't heard about the drug angle."

The drug angle, third-party suspect theories tied to drug trafficking networks connected to the victims' route, was raised during the case and circulated publicly before the trial. If she was close enough to the full evidentiary record to claim the ability to prove every statement she made, professed ignorance of this alternative theory is difficult to reconcile with that level of command.

09 Thread: "not close to mental torture" — Interview: interrogation was "overdone" and she sympathized with Allen
Public dismissal (thread)
"That interrogation wasn't close to mental torture lol." (In reply to a commenter raising concerns about how Allen was treated.)
Reflective account (Murder Sheet podcast)
"Especially Holeman, he just kept going on and going on and going on...I just felt like it was overdone." She put herself in Allen's position: "If I was being asked those questions and I didn't know how that got there, how am I going to explain how it did if I don't know?" She found his calm demeanor consistent with someone who genuinely didn't know. The Saturday rewatch moved the vote from 9–3 guilty to 8–4.

In the thread she dismisses torture concerns with a "lol." In her podcast interview, she describes the same interrogation as excessive and acknowledges it was temporarily persuasive enough to shift jury votes. The public-facing dismissal and the private reflective account describe the same interrogation footage in fundamentally different terms.

Has Mia considered shovin her faux sympathy where the sun don't shine ?? view

Mia McHaffey was Juror #02 at trial. She is the anonymous juror interviewed by The Delphi Murders: First Person podcast (Murder Sheet); she was referred to as Juror #08 there, which was her voir dire number. The Juror #05 interview below is a separate juror on the same panel.

Juror #05: The Unsolved (May 2025)

Written Q&A via email, published by journalist Tim (The Unsolved channel). Juror served Oct 14–Nov 12, 2024.

Assertions & Reasoning

Confessions

Allen's confessions preceded Haldol and other psychiatric medications. "Many of his confessions were before those drugs were ever introduced to him at all." The juror viewed the pre-medication timeline as significant and undermining the defense's coercion argument.

Confessions

From juror notes: Allen's 04-04-2023 confession to suicide companion Monica Walla: "Am I dead? Can I die now? I need to talk to God. Richard Allen doesn't know why he did it. He lost everything." Asks for something he can kill himself with. Says he killed Abby and Libby. Says "poor little girls." States "I'm sorry." Then on 04-05-2023: "Killed Abby and Libby. I'm sorry. Richard Allen says he made sure they were dead. Didn't want them to suffer."

Confessions

05-03-2023 confession: "Drank beer that day, laid in wait, saw the girls, followed them onto the bridge, said he was doing something with his gun and thinks that's when the bullet fell out." The juror found this the most compelling individual confession alongside the van reference.

Confessions

Allen stated "the girls died in order for him to find God." He admitted being an alcoholic and "exhibited a bizarre smile." After Haldol was introduced on 5/2/23, he didn't want it, became paranoid, confessed again, and said "I will kill everyone. When I die I will kill everyone."

Interrogation

Allen was "caught lying" about the bridge. He first said he didn't go out on the bridge; when confronted ("You said you walked out onto the first platform"), he responded "Of course I was. I told you that. I told you I was on the bridge." The juror flagged this self-contradiction as deceptive.

Interrogation

Allen initially said he would have been wearing a black Carhartt-like jacket and hoodie. When shown the photo of Bridge Guy, he said he "could have been wearing a blue jacket." The juror noted the shift and also flagged that his 2017 cell phone was never found despite him having "a whole bag full of other old cell phones" at his house.

Voice identification

"When I watched the first interview video and heard Richard Allen speak, the hairs stood up on my arms." In subsequent emails the juror confirmed she believed Allen's voice matched the Bridge Guy audio immediately, with no doubt in her mind.

Courtroom demeanor

Allen's behavior during trial: "He fidgeted a lot. Rolled his eyes often. Laughed at times. I noticed his attorney AB coddled him, placed his arm around Richard Allen often."

Defense strategy

"In my opinion the defense focused fully on Richard Allen's mental state. How he was treated in prison." The juror did not view this as a credible innocence argument. Defense witness Dr. Dwenger "oversees mental health of prisoners. She never met Richard Allen! Discussed Richard Allen's mental illness." Juror asked Dr. Dwenger whether Allen could be feigning symptoms to avoid general population (due to inmate threats). Dwenger answered: "Yes, it is possible he was feigning his mental health. Richard Allen was examined for delirium and he did not have it."

Identity as Bridge Guy

"Richard Allen described himself as the bridge guy. Witnesses saw Bridge Guy but not Richard Allen because Richard Allen had his identity hidden behind his overdressed coat, hat, and tucking himself. Not one witness saw two persons dressed exactly the same." On supporters claiming no DNA means innocence: "All I have to say is they should have been in the courtroom, because everything they've heard and seen is not the whole picture. There is more that they haven't heard and haven't seen."

Sarah Carbaugh

Contradicting Mia McHaffey's account (below), this juror stated she believed Sarah Carbaugh's testimony. She shared notes on the subject and indicated she found Carbaugh credible.

Richard Allen's family

"I am sorry for Richard Allen's daughter. I can't imagine the adverse effects. Richard Allen's wife. You tried to keep him quiet on the phone. You knew." The juror believed Kathy Allen had knowledge of her husband's involvement.

Credibility of Richard Allen's daughter

Correcting a public misconception: "They said Richard Allen's daughter wasn't there. But she was, she was a witness for the defense." The juror pushed back on claims circulating online that the daughter was absent from the courtroom.

Internal Inconsistencies

1 "Defense focused on mental state" vs. juror actively probing the mental state theory herself
Criticism of defense strategy
"In my opinion the defense focused fully on Richard Allen's mental state. How he was treated in prison." Framed as a failure of the defense to mount a real innocence argument.
Her own engagement with the mental state theory
She personally asked Dr. Dwenger whether Allen could be feigning symptoms to avoid general population. She found Dwenger's answer ("yes, it is possible") significant enough to document. If the mental state defense was irrelevant, the question and its answer would not warrant inclusion in her account.

She dismisses the mental health defense as a distraction while simultaneously treating a question about feigned mental illness as a meaningful data point in her reasoning.

2 States Allen "described himself as the Bridge Guy" as settled fact, but this is an inference
Presents it as self-identification
"Richard Allen described himself as the bridge guy from what he was wearing." Stated flatly, as though Allen said those words.
What actually happened
Allen described his clothing that day; investigators and analysts concluded that description matched Bridge Guy. Allen never said "I am Bridge Guy." The juror collapses an inference into a direct admission.

Treating a clothing-match inference as a verbal self-identification overstates the directness of the evidence and removes a layer of analytical work the juror claims she was rigorous about.

3 Post-trial conclusion about Kathy Allen stated as trial-based fact
Asserts Kathy knew
"Richard Allen's wife. You tried to keep him quiet on the phone. You knew." Stated in the present tense, addressed directly to Kathy Allen, as a confident conclusion.
Source of this belief is unclear
The juror acknowledges she researched the case after trial ("I've been doing a little too much Reddit"). Whether "you tried to keep him quiet on the phone" comes from trial evidence or post-verdict online discussion is never specified. The juror did not distinguish trial-based conclusions from post-trial research in this assertion.

A juror who emphasizes basing decisions only on evidence presented at trial cannot cleanly attribute a post-trial belief about Kathy Allen to the verdict itself.


Mia McHaffey (Juror #02 at trial, Voir Dire #08): The Delphi Murders: First Person Podcast (Jan. 2025)

Audio interview with hosts Aine and Kevin (Murder Sheet). Mia was identified anonymously as "Juror #08" (her voir dire number). She was one of the initial undecided voters and ultimately voted guilty.

Assertions & Reasoning

Deliberation process

First vote (day two of deliberations): 9 guilty, 3 undecided. After rewatching interview and bridge videos on Saturday: 8 guilty, 4 undecided. Final Monday vote: unanimous guilty. The three-day shift was driven by weekend reflection and Monday open discussion between undecided and decided jurors.

Timeline

"What we got to first" was establishing that Richard Allen was Bridge Guy. The jury built a physical timeline using sticky notes on the large map exhibit, placing phone activity, sightings, and clothing descriptions in order. Once the clothing self-identification was confirmed, the juror said "you really can't" dispute that Richard Allen is Bridge Guy. From there, she found it "pretty easy to add all of those things together."

Confessions

The van mention was the standout from the confession evidence. "Looking back, I think, like, who would confess that many times that doesn't actually do that? I can't think of how that would ever happen." The juror gave minimal weight to other confession details, but the van reference stood out as specific and unprompted.

Bullet / Oberg testimony

This juror gave no weight to the bullet evidence in reaching her verdict. "I kind of threw out...the whole science of the bullet. It wasn't Oberg as a person at all. I think she was so professional...She believes in her clients." The skepticism arose from the defense's cross-examination and the testimony of defense expert Warren, who evaluated only photographs rather than the physical evidence. "I just can't say that I believe for sure that the evidence is exact."

Interrogation

On the Holeman interview: found it "overdone" and felt Allen's response was consistent with someone who genuinely didn't know how a bullet could have ended up at the scene. "If I was being asked those questions and I didn't know how that got there, how am I going to explain how it did if I don't know?" She viewed Allen as "just too calm" and appearing like he "really didn't know anything to have done" it. The interrogation video caused the vote to dip from 9–3 to 8-4 after Saturday viewing.

Sarah Carbaugh

This juror said the group decided "as a whole" to "throw out" Sarah Carbaugh's testimony. "Not that she's an unlike[able], she's a hard to believe person. But I think the defense did a good job trying to discount her." The juror applied the standard: "If we didn't believe that, would that change the outcome?" For Carbaugh, the answer was no, so the testimony was set aside.

Westville prison videos

"Going into it, it wasn't as bad as I expected." The juror had anticipated much more severe footage. Allen appeared "black and blue" in one segment where he had hit his head. In cell videos, a "Little Max" (assistant Max Baker) mixed up which segments showed Allen clothed vs. unclothed, causing some jurors to see content out of order.

Deliberation fairness

One juror raised the question: "If it wasn't Richard Allen, then who could it have possibly been?" This juror pushed back on that framing. "That seems like a wrong question to ask because that's not what this is about. We're not seeing if it could be anyone else. Is there enough evidence showing that it's him specifically?" She tried to keep deliberations focused on the standard of proof, not alternative suspects.

Prosecution shortcomings

A jury question about how many cars matched Allen's vehicle model existed, and the prosecution had to look it up on the spot. The juror was critical: "I can't believe you wouldn't have thought to do that already." She also noted recurring technology failures with the courtroom monitor as a source of frustration, citing the waste of sequestration time.

Defense attorneys

Brad Rosie came across as "intimidating" and his questioning felt like "smoke and mirrors." Defense preparation generally appeared "scrambled, confused, not knowing what they're going to do next." Andrew Baldwin was viewed more favorably. Jennifer Ojeda was a standout positive: "She has a little bit of attitude. And I feel like that, from what I would picture like a defense attorney to be, I just, I liked it."


Internal Inconsistencies

1 Discarded bullet evidence but analyzed it in exhaustive detail
Claims to have set it aside
"I kind of threw out the whole science of the bullet... in making my decision, I didn't consider it at all."
Engaged with it substantively
She evaluated Oberg's methodology, compared it to Warren's photo-only approach, concluded the defense expert's method was inferior ("you're definitely not supposed to do that"), and formed a specific view on why the science was uncertain. The level of engagement goes well beyond something she "threw out."

Disregarding evidence and concluding it is scientifically unreliable are two different things. Her reasoning process shows she did consider the bullet; she simply concluded the science was too uncertain to rely on. That is a substantive finding, not a non-consideration.

2 "Timeline more important than confessions" vs. the van confession stood out
Downplays confessions as a category
"Things that he reported himself is really what got me closest." Emphasizes the timeline and clothing self-description over the confession record. Host Aine also confirms: "the timeline was perhaps more important than any of this sort of flashier confessions."
The van was the one exception she couldn't dismiss
"Of course, what stands out to everyone is the van." She singles out the van mention as "one of the things that I had that stood out to me in a sense of thinking that he could be guilty." She is unable to hold the position that confessions were irrelevant while granting the van reference its own category of weight.

She claims the timeline drove her verdict but cannot cleanly separate that from the van confession, which she acknowledges carried independent weight. The two framings of her decision-making sit in tension.

3 Claims rigorous devil's advocate approach while describing emotional collapse
Presents herself as a skeptical, deliberate reasoner
"I really tried to play devil's advocate and just see it from the defense's perspective...I did try to question everything. I just, it felt like a really hard thing to do. And I just didn't want to get it wrong, no matter what."
Also describes being emotionally overwhelmed
"Towards the end, I was kind of a mess." "I was just, like, I already knew, like, I was going to be done. And just, it was such an overwhelming feeling." "I would say out of everyone, I definitely had the worst time." She describes crying when the unanimous vote was read.

She presents her process as methodical skepticism but simultaneously describes a level of emotional distress that raises questions about whether the devil's advocate framing reflects how she actually experienced deliberations, or how she prefers to describe them in retrospect.

4 Interrogation video looked favorable to Allen, but she voted guilty
Found the Holeman interrogation sympathetic to Allen
"Especially Holman, he just kept going on and going on and going on...I just felt like it was overdone." She put herself in Allen's position: "If I was being asked those questions and I didn't know how that got there, how am I going to explain how it did if I don't know?" She found his demeanor consistent with innocence.
The video shifted votes toward undecided, then she voted guilty anyway
After the Saturday rewatch, the count moved from 9-3 (guilty/undecided) to 8-4. The video evidently moved at least one guilty vote to undecided. Yet Mia, who described the interrogation most sympathetically, ultimately voted guilty. She does not explain how she reconciled her reading of the interrogation with her final verdict.

Her stated interpretation of the Holeman video would logically support an undecided or not guilty position. She offers no account of what overrode that reading.


Cross-juror Discrepancy

! Sarah Carbaugh credibility
Juror #05: Believed her
"The question about Sarah Carbaugh. I believed her." Juror shared trial notes supporting Carbaugh's account of the muddy, bloody figure seen on County Road 300 North.
Mia McHaffey: Discarded her
"I think kind of as a whole, we decided to just throw that one out." Juror said the defense succeeded in casting doubt and the group applied the standard: if we remove this testimony, does it change the outcome? Answer: no.

These two jurors give directly opposing accounts of how the group treated Carbaugh's testimony, suggesting either different recollections of consensus or that the jury was not fully unified on this point.